There are a number of things puzzling me, and I don’t just mean how other people think and behave, and the consequences thereof in the visible world. I am puzzling to my own self.Siegfried commented on my last, à propos Vincent van Gogh, thus:
“He was being himself and being well-adjusted to society and his personal circumstances. He became a victim too.
Being oneself doesn’t immune anyone from insanity.
Well, actually being oneself doesn’t really mean anything.”
I understand and sympathise with the intention of these statements, even the conclusion that “being oneself doesn’t really mean anything”; for yes, phrases in themselves don’t mean anything. Yet a person who says something invariably means something. So if Siegfried says van Gogh was well-adjusted to society, he means something, and I’ll assume he is not ignorant of the man’s life, for its factual details are well-known and not mysterious, with biographies and biopics galore. The richness of information is largely due to the letters exchanged between Vincent and Theo, his art-dealer brother who supported him financially. We know that Vincent’s life was eccentric and tortured at the parental home; also when he was a missionary amongst the Belgian coal-miners; also in his time with Gauguin at the Yellow House at Arles; also in the outbursts of mental illness which persuaded him to seek refuge in an institution; and finally in his stay with Dr Gachet, whose ministrations did not prevent him shooting himself and dying a few days later.
I’m not criticising Siegfried. Quite the reverse, he’s my brother. Yet the affair is crucial to me because if that Vincent was adjusted to society then I must be too, even if I don’t feel adjusted. That Vincent is a hero of mine, as artist and person. And I’d rather talk about him than myself, because I’m shy about my own maladjustments.
Vincent was himself. His inner promptings were more compelling than any urge to meet society’s expectations. To be yourself doesn’t immunize you against insanity---Siegfried you are right! Nor does it guarantee you happiness.
To be yourself. It’s a calling: not everybody is called. It’s beyond normal reason, belonging to the category of mysteries. Normal reason, you see, is on the side of happiness, moderation and compromise. Being truly yourself, you may wave goodbye to the normal and known and cautious. It’s a mystery.
Mysteries are never solved. The explanations never work. The simplest things are the most mysterious. Why are we supposed to resist our instincts? Education denies mystery, and tells children there is nothing to fear in the dark. I don't know why I choose the cold and lonely road where I don’t know anything. It was different when I was young.
When I was growing up I thought Buddhism offered a logical explanation, and a solid answer to the pain I felt. It gives Four Noble Truths: (1) there is suffering (2) it is caused by craving (3) the craving can be tackled (4) the craving can be tackled and the suffering overcome through the Noble Eightfold Path. My suffering and craving ran on desperate parallel tracks. The express train of adulthood came at me furiously, roaring and hissing; I stood on the tracks paralysed with fright. The Noble Eightfold Path had no rescue for my urgent peril. I needed a quick fix and thought I had it in Zen and its offer of instant enlightenment. “There’s a goose in the bottle: how do you get it out without breaking the bottle or killing the goose?” The existence of such a koan hints at a magic answer, the satori moment. So when the express train comes, perhaps I can float up weightless off the tracks; or make my molecules porous, so the train can pass through whilst I am still me, without the bloody impact that seems so imminent.
I knew a man on Death Row in Florida. We exchanged letters for a year or two. I used to tell him my news, illustrated with photos. He was particularly interested when I sent pictures of women that I knew. Through him I heard of Bo Lozoff’s Prison-Ashram Project, which he called Buddhism. I’m in no doubt that it helped him in that place of waiting where the only meaningful action was to make appeals against his sentence forever, one after the other, aided by the least competent lawyers in America.
What is the Noble Truth of Suffering?
Birth is suffering, ageing is suffering, sickness is suffering,
dissociation from the loved is suffering,
not to get what one wants is suffering:
in short the five categories affected by clinging are suffering.
This is what I wonder: if van Gogh had been a Buddhist, could he have led a “happy life”? Would he have painted? Well, I’m asking you what you think. But personally I don’t include it in the list of insoluble mysteries. The Four Noble Truths are an explanation, and explanations never quite work. They are also sales hype and spin. O Westerner! Be warned.

35 comments:
hello Vincent,
Just know that I was here and have read this but feel unable to comment at this point until I've had the time to read it with greater concentration and formulate my thoughts. Highly serious posts always demand these of its reader.
But I promise I will and it will be a pleasure to. :-)
And that gives me time to micro-edit the piece! (First phase of that done. Almost every sentence altered.)
In any case you inspired it, for when you labelled me "serious" the other day, it triggered a response inside, like "You ain't seen nothing yet!"
Sometimes the pleasure to aim for is catharsis.
And Suzan, your effect is perhaps more than you know!
General note: if you read this blog via a feed, such as Google Reader, beware! I tend to keep updating the text for a few hours after publishing, so it's best to click through to my site itself; otherwise you might see an earlier version.
like Susan, I read this and decided to come back later when I could give it the time it deserves. And so I will!
Suzan and Hayden: perhaps the thoughts I've expressed are too concentrated and obscure.
Vincent hello,
all i know (and it ain't much) is that everything alive suffers. I can't change that. All i can do is help. Out of suffering comes many beautiful things, like art for example. compassion is another that comes from suffering. Nobody wants to suffer and we humans come up with all kinds of stuff to help make it go away.
(((hugs)))
I have a question..
To be well-adjusted to society means what?
Like Kathy I am going to choose to address the concept of being well adjusted to societal expectations. Personally, I don't think anyone on this planet ever feels fully competent in society. Often we pretend, but everyone is worried about something. Had Vincent van Gogh had conformed to what was expected from those around him I don't think he would have shared his brilliance on canvas. In conforming he would have lost part of himself ... thus it is with all of us.
"To be well-adjusted to society means what?"
O Kathy! Because I am not, I don't know.
And those who are don't know either, because they take it for granted!
Perhaps nobody knows. So it is another mystery?
Beth, thank you. You have answered part of my question. But what about Buddhism? Would it have been a good idea for van Gogh?
Kathy I want to know what you think too, as I know you are keen on Zen.
Buddhism offers a panacea to everyone. Can it deliver? Can it stop the suffering on Death Row?
Zo...
The typical Dutchman begins his short or long expressions or statements with "So". Which gives the impression of himself being a logical and careful thinker. I do the opposite. I tend to inject a lot of nonsense in what I am saying and try to be spontaneous as much as possible. And not worry about whether people understood me or not.
I also tend to try not to think too much. Yesterday I had just wasted myself at a party, drinking and dancing until one o'clock in the morning; I'll probably write about it soon.
Zo, let me just think aloud and write my comment - I don't really like writing long ones.
I thought Van Gogh was being himself. He was being society. Living up to the expectations of society. Conforming. Going along with tradition as well as with modern ideas, especially as it is being explored in art and lifestyle. He was being a typical 19th century man. Obsessed with modern art. Impressionism or expressionism. Whatever.
There is really nothing wrong with this. Conforming is not something we should avoid like a plague. But we must not forget that conforming can lead to much conflict in personal relationships when there is also a lot of non-conforming involved. Either you conform or don't conform. Either you keep the commandments or you suffer the consequences of not keeping them. If there is a lot of non-conforming inspite of tradition, beliefs, social control, etc., there will be a lot of conflict involved. Zo, Vincent was in conflict not only with society but also with himself -- this too doesn't mean much. Because in reality there is not much difference between society and oneself. One is society. We are society. Including our instincts. To state it simply.
Zo, what is the solution?
There is also the question of fear and "trembling" when there is a lot of "transgressions" involved. Let's not forget that the Dutch or European society was very much Jewish-Christian, not only because of the Bible, but also because of its large Jewish community (I tend to be very direct and short in my expression to avoid wasting time.)
This situation or condition is still happening or being present in our modern society. And there seems to be no real solution. Fear is always present even among modern thinkers. Whether you see it or not. Whether you feel it or not.
Zo, again what is the solution?
Zo, how do you conform and/or not conform without fear?
BTW, I noticed the Passport.
Yes, answering your last first Siegfried, my mother was widow of a Dutchman, victim of the Japanese in Indonesia. So she got a pension and a passport. But he was not my father so I am not really Dutch, but thought I was for most of my life.
As to your questions, I don't have any answers. I am glad you are spontaneous and I don't see any nonsense in what you say and even think of you as logical. I like what you say about Vincent. I had to explore some dark sides of him, because as I tried to show, they match some dark sides in me. By dark, I mean that the sun of society doesn't reach there.
It's a mystery, but not necessarily mystical; and that is why I like your comments very much.
dear vincent,
i am sure, if there is no craving, a man can never indulge in art. art is the highest form of lust, if i am allowed to say so. it satisfies every urge instatly.
urges and cravings are indeed the most essential components in an artist's life. i think so.
Good Morning Vincent, (its morning here in Long Beach :)
I don't know about Buddhism and its effect on helping Vincent Van Gogh if he had chose to practice it. All I know is that it has helped me in dealing with pain and suffering. Mental illness..and i use that word because i have it...is very hard to treat. Even today with all the new knowledge out there Medication seems to be most popular in dealing with this sort of illness. I'm no Doctor. All i know is what makes me feel better.
A lot of Society is Sick in my Opinion because we destroy the environment..We are killing people and animals.. and corporations are enslaving people. We invade countries and never leave.
I brought out the bad points of Society and it has its good points too...i just didn't mention them...
Is society well-adjusted to mental health? theres a good question?
Ghetu, did you know that the famous biographical novel about van Gogh by Irving Stone is called Lust For Life? It was made into a film starring Kirk Douglas.
And yes, I agree with you that urges and cravings are closely connected with the creative life. Freud spoke of those urges being sublimated into art. But you can look at the lives of writers and artists and see that there were cravings aplenty that were not sublimated but indulged with vigour.
But there are further mysteries here, which will be followed up in another piece.
Kathy yes. I do see Buddhism relieving suffering. I saw it in my Death Row penpal, though he was no saint. I don't know what it did for me, but then I am not sure if I ever truly practised it. I think some people don't have the temperament. I did many years of meditation - 30 in all, but it was not Buddhist meditation and I'm not sure if I ever received proper guidance.
But yes, all you can know is what makes you feel better and no doctor can take the place of your own instinct to look after your own needs: an instinct at great risk today of being stifled with advice from all quarters.
I would go further, Kathy, not questioning whether society is adjusted to mental health but whether society is a direct cause of mental ill-health.
To ask questions is a wonderful way of cutting through the fog. As much as possible I prefer to leave them unanswered. Let them just hang there. That way they have the most power.
There's a great deal of sickness in answers. They kill mysteries. They let us return to our conformist lethargy, teaching us formulas that we can store away and forget.
Questions are live. Answers are dead.
I'm finding less and less time to contribute to these online blogs and forums.
Demands on my time have overtaken me. But I'll always take time to respond here if I can...
...I am not shy about demonstrating non-conformist behavior.
I suppose I relate more to Dali, or Warhol, than I do Van Gogh.
I can't help but be myself. And it would appear, from most of the feedback I get, that I have been terribly unsuccessful in adapting to society.
Buddhism has not helped me with this. It has helped me gain some insight into my own quirks and imperfections, but it has often failed to provide a cure. And as a result, I'm not sure it eliminated suffering as much as it made it tolerable.
I'm not entirely certain I am looking for a cure. Or that if I found one I would willingly submit to it.
Not sure where this leaves me in the grand scheme of things.
I'm not nearly as familiar with visual art as I'd like to be, but Van Gogh caught my attention early on. Love his work; know only the most general outlines of his life.
My own feeling is that a certain amount of adversity - "suffering" - is probably necessary for creativity. But go beyond that, and the person's creative output doesn't happen or is less than what it might have been. Maybe Van Gogh illustrates both points - the wonderful work, but the periods of debilitation and a life cut short.
Unfortunately I haven't studied Buddhism with enough depth to speak with authority on if it would or would not have aided Van Gogh.
Kathy ~ Is society well-adapted to mental health? I would have to say, "No." Like you, I speak as one who must deal with it personally. I think society has made strides toward understanding, but there will always be those who truly believe mental illnesses to be fabricated.
When you went from Yves (which I first thought you a woman, lol, no comment), to Vincent, I was elated, I truly adore Van Gogh, because of his true self.
All I can tell you of him is, he couldn't ever have been a buddhist, because of the underlying reality of himself...but that is only my opinion, who knows?
For me, Vincent had to have Christianity, he aspired to that which only Christianity represents and offers one. Vincent today is not bound by the symbols of Christianity, but surpasses it, Thank God for Vincent.
To speak of these, how I would love to go into depth, but brevity is essential, so here Vincent, here is what I think of him..unlike the Christian today, Vincent was one who took the giving seriously, it was him, and he was no one but the other, this is how he could be the sunflowers, how he could be the sun itself, how he could be the night sky, how he could be the crows, this is how he could paint! It is called Empathy, some call it Compassion, but it is more than Compassion in that it means he connected in reality, he felt what he saw, he didn't just see it, he became it!
It became him! Art has become Vincent! And LOVE is Vincent!, for Vincent was LOVE!
But out of time and place, ahead of his time, unable to break thru the illusions and problems, he succumbed to the injuries of his day, his story is not of insanity of an individual, his story is of his day and society! We just read it wrong.
So, was I thrilled to call you Vincent? The sounds just wet my tongue with the reality of life, the face of truth of nature and mankind, Vincent.
Yes, he was himself, in spite of how it looks that he failed.
Lots of cliches about happiness! Was he happy? What is that, happy?
I believe in the American constitutional statement (even tho I have to fight to get it), 'the right to the pursuit of happiness!'
Did those who wrote that know of Van Gogh? Did they know of me?
I am happy! And I am happy to know you, Vincent!
Work of art, this post, you are good at this!
Yes, a Work of Art Vincent!
After reading some of these comments, (I will be reading them all), I want to say that Vincent, in being ahead of his time, was a victim of the impossible, but the impossible existing in a person is a sign, a sign of problems in the society of which that person is a part, and a sign of the future thereby.
(I am not promoting insanity or mental illness, just explaining some problems caused by the failure of time in relation to society, and society bears the burden, not time)
Now I also don't want to encourage revolution, but society today fights these signs with medication, society today would love to stop tomorrow. But the plan won't allow it, we are caught in the situation, we have to make the best of it. I tell people to follow their heart in taking or not taking the meds. No one can speak for another.
As to the connection to Lust for Life, that sort of becomes obvious, the being driven down takes one to the bottom, as one aspires to the heights.
Charles I don't know either in the scheme of things where it leaves you. only that you have very well summarized the dilemma that I was trying to point out: one that I don't have any solution to either. In fact I take a perverse triumph in discovering that life isn't logical, that one answer doesn't fit all even though it should.
Paul, you raise fascinating points about the relationship of adversity to creativity. Yes, if a person suffers too much, creativity may be impossible because he or she may take refuge in madness. For isn't it the case that madness is almost a choice: a way to deal with distress, by blocking it off?
Beth, it is interesting that you speak of society's suspicion that mental illnesses are fabricated - and other illnesses too. I suffered from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome for at least ten years, perhaps thirty, and now I see it was fabricated by my body to try and tell me something, but I wouldn't listen. Finally I listened and it went permanently, in one conscious second, like the flipping of a light-switch. I wish I could teach others how to do that.
What I do know is that our bodies (brain is part of body, spirit is also in my belief part of body) constantly do their best to protect us. Sometimes they break down to protect us just as a fuse breaks in a circuit.
We are so strong-willed that we overload that circuit with more and more light-bulbs, listening to the fabrications of mind---now that is where the fabrication occurs!---until we put ourselves in danger and the fuse goes.
I know that this raises more questions that it answers, but I have to stop at this point.
Jim, I love your comments.
I wonder about "society" as a category. It seems to me that it is, has always been, multi-faceted, and we often read of historical persons who are successful in one society, but not in another. There are tensions between them...
there is high society - mercantile society - artists society - I'm just not sure what the word means when someone says that someone is adjusted to society.
As for Buddhism, one has to believe it, not simply practice it I think. So if he'd not believed in it, as many of us don't....... I think it's very enticing, very pretty, but I can't buy the fundamental premise.
I'd like to see consideration of decoupling the connection between mental illness/depression/suffering and creativity. This false association causes many to love their pain. Creativity can and does also spring from joy, but that's not as titillating to wonder about. Because many who have these problems are creative, it doesn't necessarily follow that the problem CAUSES the creativity. As another who has suffered much of my life from depression, I've found that I'm much MORE creative (though my work isn't as bleak) now that I'm taking little pills to help me control the chemistry.
It is just possible that the way our brains are wired causes depression AND causes creativity, without either being dependent on the other. I have noticed that I'm not creative when I am neither joyful nor depressed.... it's the stasis, the moderation where there is no creative tension. (and no, I'm not manic/depressive, I've never had the productive, work-all-night highs)
Hmm... It's been too long since grad school. I don't seem to remember any etiological framework for understanding psychoses in all their variety. With neurosis, as I recall, which of course is less severe than psychosis but still a major functional impairment (by definition - interfering with major life activities like work and family life), it's viewed as a defense against the experience of anxiety.
And that would be consistent with what you're suggesting. There are also just the practical effects of severe adversity - with VV, for example, as I understand it, his attacks left him unproductive for their duration, taking up considerable time and ultimately shortening his life.
Hayden, thanks for raising these interesting points. Adjusting to society - wasn't it Siegfried who used the phrase first in our discussions?
As for Buddhism, I was involved in it from a distance for many years (my guru cult was more Hindu in nature). I don't think belief is required so much as some kind of guidance, instruction or merely adjustment to its society! That is, I don't think it can merely be done from books, whether it is the Mahayana, Hinayana or Zen variety.
I agree with you fully about decoupling the separate notions of pain and creativity. I hope I didn't couple them in the first place, by asking if van Gogh might have been less creative had he been a Buddhist. It was in fact a silly question. He had enough Christianity and moral principles in him to provide spiritual comfort, though in Christian tradition you can be saintly and still suffer mentally. (Poet Gerard Manley Hopkins was a Jesuit priest and had terrible agonies in this way, for example.)
Paul, I believe neurosis these days is considered to be almost synonymous with a tendency to anxiety.
There was certainly something wrong with Vincent in the brain department, but I feel he was one of the sanest men who ever lived, though life was difficult for him.
Paul, I believe neurosis these days is considered to be almost synonymous with a tendency to anxiety.
There was certainly something wrong with Vincent in the brain department, but I feel he was one of the sanest men who ever lived, though life was difficult for him.
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